Posts by cyberdyne systems 101

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funny thing about being sad...especially now of all times w/ snow & NBC

by oompa in

jw
friends

i have to get feeing better soon.

i don't mind some ups and downs, but staying low for days at a time just ain't right.

somebody here was talking about snow the other day and how the elders would almost never cancel the meeting.

cyberdyne systems 101

From my own experience, I was constantly wound up by what I was discovering and the passion that i wanted to tell those close to me. The only way i've become happy is to get through that period of time and then let it go. Sure from time to time I still get angry but on the whole I have moved away from the constant mental battle of it.

I accept that I can only be responsible for my own mind, and what I take into it etc. Should others approach me to ask me how I view things i'll be happy to say, but until then i'll not let myself be bothered by convincing others to see the light - usually a frustrating and pointless exercise. I've created a life outside of the old one, and therefore thats has become my past, not my future. Its has been an extremely painful experience to change my whole view on life and to be hurt by people over a choice i chose to make. Of course I made many big mistakes myself upon leaving finding my feet, but again i've learnt and moved on and forgiven myself.

I wish you well on the journey

CS 101

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News Release: Special Awake! Campaign

by betterdaze in

jehovah's witnesses office of public information .

for immediate release .

november 1, 2007 .

cyberdyne systems 101

I was called on by a JW couple at the weekend. We chatted about the bible, and this was the featured magazine, which I took and read.

I brought up some things that I didnt agree with such as how did the animals got back to the different continents after the flood, to which i got a reply that maybe the earth was different back then, but they didnt know so would try to find out. Also I mentioned about the laws such as stoning sinful offspring, and how David was above the law. I think they said the laws were harsh in order for the nation to stand out, and that David had a get out of jail free card, the kingdom convenant. I think a lot of it was them talking to me, telling me how everything in the bible was good and so on, paradise (to which i said its not in there). In the end they excused themselves and thanked me for my time as i did them. Seemed like some nice people.

Well I read the Awake, and looking on as i was (I took the position of a typical householder - not ex JW), I thought it seems to sound reasonable and make sense. I then wanted to look at it from a critical point of view also. i soon realised that I had seen the begining of the indoctrination process, not the way I remembered the high control and loyalty to the society being paramount. I think that people could well be persuaded by these technique's, and maybe if i had not been brought up in it, perhaps i would have been interested and gone along with the 'proofs' given?

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Are You Angry That You Didn't Get To Celebrate The Holidays?

by minimus in

jw
friends

but now, holidays are important to me.

i think birthdays and xmas are important ones to make sure that you give and get gifts.

perhaps it's because i never experienced the "joy of the holidays".

cyberdyne systems 101

not angry no, just wonder how things would be if i had?

i'll explain: I used to do b'days and xmas pre witnesses as a child, then stopped it - dont remember feeling bad about it then. But as an adult with children, I look to my parents and know that we are not close compared to my partner who was never a witness, some of that is down to not doing regular family things like celebrations, though obviously its not down to that one thing or perhaps the dubs even, people never involved have worse family's than mine. But for sure it has been a factor and i now do things on my kids bd's.

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Our JC

by besty in

dear brothers .

you are aware that i am not present this evening following medical advice from our family doctor.

i will attempt in this letter to give you some idea of why that is and how i feel.

cyberdyne systems 101

Samantha Paul and the boys, what a great family you four are, had the pleasure of meeting you guys a little while back. You've gone through one of the most painful things, i'm not surprised how emotionally drained you are. In some ways you cant believe something like that can be happening to you, its frightening to realise its real!

I think your letter was awesome, really told it well, of course it will be ignored by those most reprehensible, but its here and preserved so we can all see your pain but also courage in the face of complete nonsense, maybe some who know you from that life will find you again through the means of this place, like you and I did. I've lost touch with whats been going on recently, sorry for that, but know that i'm so impressed with the way you guys have handled this in the face of overwhelming odds.

I wish you a happy and peaceful life away from that nightmare

Love to you all

Gareth

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Jehovah or Satan? A Story of Cognitive Dissonance.

by Mrs. Witness in

had a chat with mr. witness last night.

it started out by me asking him what his definition of politics is.

i asked because he sits watching cnn and knows all about the current campaign...and it occurred to me that he was "participating" in politics, albeit on the fringe.

cyberdyne systems 101

I'm pleased for you that your able to have some sort of conversation about this, a lot of JW's will put up the mental brick wall as they are trained to very early on in the conversation. Its amazing isnt it how you can put forward thoughts that blow their idea's out of the water, and they squirm a little but then look to the organisation for the answers, leaving it in their hands.

I'm having this in part with my ex and the children, I'm quite concerned how much of that poisonous propagander will get into their heads like it did mine at their age. I remember being so nieve that when a teacher asked me when the Witnesses started, i just said with Jesus and the apostles! Then she showed me in a book the late 1800's by Charles T Russell, as a young kid I ignored that. In time the society came out with more information about the 'modern day' witnesses'. And it was only after I left that I thought back and realised I could have begun questioning it back then, but I didnt really want to, I was enjoying being in the cocoon world I was surrounded with. i hope to at least show my children that there are alternatives and to think about things, check them out properly and question things.

Hope you have many more interesting conversations with Mr Witness

CS 101

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Comments You Will Not Hear at the WT Study (10/8 Train Children)

by WT Comments in

cyberdyne systems 101

Thank you for the preparation in putting the comments together.

Really it sounds like a lead in to the following article, to train them in a specific way to become slaves of men, those who run and enforce the WTS. Cleverly they use expressions that sound like you will be giving the child thinking ability, when in reality you are narrowing their minds to something very specific. Another thing I notice more and more, is how OT examples are given that are both inconsistant and contradictory, I didnt notice that so much when I was in.

One time i can think of that Jehovahs punishment seems to over the top, is killing the guy who steadied the Ark as they transported it. He didnt arrange it, but tried to help and gets killed! Yet as has been mentioned before David is left alone.

CS 101

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post the OT scripture that you find most disturbing.

by oompa in

i am too tired to find mine right now, but it involves men laying in wait to attack and rape sisters going to dance at a circuit assembly.

i think the purpose was to find even more wives for the tribe of benjamin.

great plan god.. ot stuff always weirded me out more than nt stuff, until i found out we have a totally fraudulant nt version, compete with the name jehovah spuriously inserted 237 times, along with many other spurious verses.

cyberdyne systems 101

I dont see the lie you mention, please explain..
I'm not sure what you need explained.
Seriously.
I think it's rather clear.

so God says dont eat or you will die, then Satan says you wont, then God stops him eating from tree of life...am i missing something? CS 101

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post the OT scripture that you find most disturbing.

by oompa in

i am too tired to find mine right now, but it involves men laying in wait to attack and rape sisters going to dance at a circuit assembly.

i think the purpose was to find even more wives for the tribe of benjamin.

great plan god.. ot stuff always weirded me out more than nt stuff, until i found out we have a totally fraudulant nt version, compete with the name jehovah spuriously inserted 237 times, along with many other spurious verses.

cyberdyne systems 101

nvrgnbk-You posted the exact scripture I was thinking of. So much for that satan the father of the lie thing. What does this do for witnesses that say god created everything but the lie?

I dont see the lie you mention, please explain.. CS 101 PS some great verses that make the God of the Bible a pretty nasty piece of work!

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Are you a good person? Take the Bible challenge.

by jesusisgod in

most people consider themselves to be a good person.

i have asked several people just in passing and with family members, and they have confirmed this.

when asked, "do you consider yourself to be a good person?

cyberdyne systems 101

Not really a challenge, because by the bible's standards everyone is a sinner, therefore not a good person, and thereby the bible then says we need to have a saviour. Wasn't this the idea proposed in the the NT that no one could live to the standards, and so Jesus came down to redeem what we couldnt by ourselves? If you believe in that book then really you cant be saved unless you become one of christs brothers, if you dont, you remain under law - whether that be our own morals or something like the 10 commandments, which would continue to be broken and so the cycle would continue.

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Do those of you "born into the truth" have problems with relationships?

by marmot in

i'm a 4th generation dub and i was the epitome of a goodie-two-shoes elder's son.

i was taught/brainwashed that dating was evil and only for mature brothers (i distinctly remember a part on the assembly with a "demonstration" that said even 24 years old was too young to date and you should concentrate on becoming a ms or pioneer first) and went through so much soul-destroying guilt because of the society's utterly ridiculous stance on masturbation that it almost drove me to suicide.

didn't help that my father the elder had a massive porn stash.

cyberdyne systems 101

Relationships may or may not come easy, whether you were brought up in dubdom or not. What i'm saying is there are people who easily get them and others who struggle to, whether or not they have been brought up to have an immature attitude towards life and relationships, like those of us who took the society at their word despite what our body was telling us.

Really the only way to move on is to draw a line under the past and leave it there. Not as easy to do as say it of course, but entirely possible. A lot of us feel we are younger mentally and emotionally, given our back grounds, but once you have made a few mistakes and found out what you like, you'll soon catch up. Its a case of relaxing, working at increasing your friendships and seeing what comes of it. Try to take any opportunitys that come your way, push yourself beyond your comfort zone and 'wing' it. Dont be hard on yourself, try to enjoy who you are and what your doing, and your find that attracts people and things your way. Dont let your past hold you back from the future, you cant change it, so let it go, dont drag it around with you, start from today and say this is where I move on and experience my new life.

Wish you well

CS 101